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Partitions - 3/22/2013 10:09:30 AM   
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Hello VFF! Long time no see. I sure would like to hang out here more, but life gets in the way sometimes.

Anyway, I have a partition question.

I have a 3TB external hard drive.
Ideally I'd like to format 1TB for my MAC Time machine backups.
Then I'd like to format 1TB to FAT32 so I can use it between my Mac and PC.
The other 1TB I'd like to format as NTFS to store my videos.

Is this even possible, or am I dreaming?

Thanks folks.

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RE: Partitions - 3/22/2013 1:20:31 PM   
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Hi, stranger!

Yes you can, Kayla, but you will have to use a Partition Management tool like Paragon Partition Manager, which will format all types of Windows, Linux and Apple partitions from the same interface. And it is free

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RE: Partitions - 3/22/2013 2:39:22 PM   
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Hi Kayla,

What a coincidence... there was a Kayla that used to hang around this forum, but nobody knows what happened to her or where she went.

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RE: Partitions - 3/25/2013 3:19:45 PM   
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I wonder if ExFAT is "good enough" now to use it instead of FAT and NTFS.

ExFAT works OK on all recent OSX versions, Linux can read & write it OK with a userspace filesystem driver, and there is a patch for XP SP3 that will enable it to read & write ExFAT. And Win7 and later *love* ExFAT, of course!

Only thing that could be left out are truly old computers, or some "strange" usages (like using it to play back videos on a streaming video player, for example) which may not read ExFAT. If you aren't doing that, then you could stick with 2 larger HFS+ and ExFAT partitions instead of 3 smaller ones.

(Of course, with a 3 terabyte drive, "smaller" is relative...)

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RE: Partitions - 3/25/2013 4:17:15 PM   
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Not worth talkin' about around here.
Bitt, you do realize who you are talking to here, don't you? Kayla will probably think that you are commenting on her weight.

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RE: Partitions - 3/25/2013 5:50:16 PM   
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Ohhhh Greg...... if "Ex"FAT was a reference to my weight, I'd be a happy camper. I'm more of a "New"FAT, and it totally stinks!

Hi boys!!

Roger, thanks for the link. I'll download it and play with it tonight. I assume it will do BittMann's ExFAT?

BittMann, I plan on backing up info on my OLD computer. Which still has XP and software from 2007/2008.
My MAC has the most recent version of OSX, but it too is an early 2008 machine.




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RE: Partitions - 3/25/2013 6:05:57 PM   
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Hi Kayla,

What a coincidence... there was a Kayla that used to hang around this forum, but nobody knows what happened to her or where she went.


She was near your neighborhood yesterday. She was at the Convent of the Visitation. Now that's something you don't see everyday and will probably never see again.

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RE: Partitions - 3/27/2013 11:00:30 AM   
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Kayla, ExFAT works fine in XP SP2 or SP3 after installing a Microsoft driver.

It also works in all versions of OSX 10.6.5 and later.

If your XP machine is patched up to SP3, and if your Mac is 10.6.5 or later, you're good-to-go.

Not that what you're proposing won't work just fine, it just chops things up a little (and you'll have to break files over 4GB into "chunks" if you're using FAT to transfer between Mac and XP - ExFAT will avoid that limitation).

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RE: Partitions - 3/27/2013 8:36:41 PM   
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Well...... I downloaded Paragon Partition Manager and installed BittMann's Microsoft driver, but it WILL NOT partition the drive.
It just keeps tell me it found a disk it cannot work with. Picky program! Grrrr......

However, I hooked it up to my MAC and created a 1GB APPLE HFS partition, and a 2 GB FAT. Not exactly what I was looking for.
So after doing that, I tried Paragon Partition Manager again, but got the same error message.

Now I'm thinking of creating the Apple 1GB partition and 2 FAT partitions, then let Windows format one of the FATS to NTFS.

It shouldn't be that hard to have a drive that will speak Apple and Windows.


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RE: Partitions - 3/27/2013 8:52:04 PM   
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Okay, I just saw the exFAT setting in Windows. Duh.
Formatting now.
Cross your fingers and toes

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RE: Partitions - 3/27/2013 8:57:32 PM   
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Only one GB? That's not very big. Each of the three partitions should be just under one TB, or 1000 GBs big. Your 3 TB drive is 3000 gigs big. There's a free program I use and I'll find a link to it.

Here's the link:

http://www.partition-tool.com/personal.htm

If you're doing this on windows size each section just under 1000 gigs big, i.e., 980 gigs. Name the windows partitions XP and Win7 to identify them and format them accordingly. Leave the Mac partition unformated and use your Mac to format that partition.

< Message edited by Roadside Ron -- 3/27/2013 9:01:53 PM >


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RE: Partitions - 3/27/2013 9:18:35 PM   
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Oops.... the GB's in my earlier post should be TB's.

Well, Windows did not successfully format the drive to exFAT.

I'll try your tool next Ron.

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RE: Partitions - 3/27/2013 9:24:49 PM   
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I'll try your tool next Ron.


Uh....okay.

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RE: Partitions - 3/27/2013 11:10:06 PM   
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I've been using gparted to partition my drives lately. Gparted is a little to technical so I won't direct you to it. Before I started using that I always used easeus and I liked it. I'll install it on my Windows 7 partition and check refresh my memory on it so I can help if you need it.

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RE: Partitions - 3/28/2013 11:33:24 AM   
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I partition my hard drives like a man...with a refrigerator magnet! I have to be careful, though, because I'm only allowed so many "1s" per month...



OK, Kayla, I give up - no idea why you're being fought with on this. I've partitioned a drive for my daughter to share between WinXP and Mac by doing exactly what I just described. I did do the initial partition setup under Linux, though, but it should be exactly the same result as what you did...partitioned the drive, and then formatted each new partition under its native operating system (Mac for HFS, WinXP for ExFAT).

One thing I did find on WinXP - if I did a "full" ExFAT format, it'd fail. If I did a "quick" format, it'd work. I'm paranoid enough that I want to do a full surface scan on a new hard drive, so I'd run a complete surface scan under Linux (hence why I did the partitioning under Linux...), and then once it passed, partitioned it, and formatted as HFS and ExFAT under the corresponding native environment.

Oh, well...you have more than enough space to do whatever you want, I'd think!

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RE: Partitions - 3/28/2013 11:47:12 AM   
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RE: Partitions - 3/28/2013 12:19:58 PM   
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If all else fails, do it on a MAC!

I finally got it the way I want/need it. And I did it all on the MAC. Windows wouldn't let me do it with it's own utilities or any other software.

I now have two partitions, 1TB formatted to Apple HFS, and 2 TB formatted to exFAT. For some reason, I did not see the exFAT option earlier, but maybe that's because I wasn't looking for it?

With all the messing around I did with the drive on the two computers, I might have MAC erase the entire thing and start over, just to be sure it's a clean format. Should I?

I tested it briefly by throwing a few files on the exFAT partition with the MAC, and Windows was able to access it. Yay!!
I need to get the MAC backed up ASAP because she's starting to "tick" and random freezes here and there. She's been flawless for the last 5 years, but I suspect she's trying to retire.

It's funny how Windows won't see anything on the HFS drives, but if I hook it up with Ron's USB thing-a-ma-gig I bought a few years ago (high tech verbiage there), Windows will see it. (provided the HFS drive isn't formatted with the 'case-sensitive' option)




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RE: Partitions - 3/28/2013 6:57:25 PM   
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Not worth talkin' about around here.
The problem may have something to do with the fact that older MoBos, Bios chips and M$FT OS simply won't recognize a 3TB drive????

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RE: Partitions - 3/29/2013 7:13:48 AM   
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I wouldn't bother with a re-do...sounds like it's working.

If you're a-ticking, then get Time Machine (or whatever it's called) sailin' on the Mac and get that taken care of.

So, the Mac you have - is it possible for a user to swap the hard drive, or is that supposed to be an "Apple-store moment"?
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